Predator-RC (Trusted Shop Review)

Web shop Predator-RC.com - Click the image to open the shop
Predator web shop in May 2020

Predator-RC signs emails with “We are ONE and ONLY”. And indeed, he probably is the most entertaining vendor originating from the Polish scene. The Polish scene used to operate from Poland until summer/autumn 2018, when the Polish government made most Research Chemicals illegal and many shops had to relocate and moved to the Netherlands.

By the way, in Poland, the government does not combat Research Chemicals, Legal Highs, or New Psychoactive Substances, no, in Poland they colloquially use the term “dopalacze” which would literally translate “afterburners“.

Predator nevertheless ships worldwide, also to Poland. For a while, he even tried to partly operate (produce and sell) from there but that finally became too risky, after the Polish government started imprisoning RC Vendors who tried likewise.

So, Polish customers are receiving their orders from the Netherlands now. They would use a fake name and have their order shipped to a parcel station, where you could pick up mail by simply entering a code without having to show your id. Clever.

The Predator web shop is still in Polish, prices are still low (~ 6 USD per gram of standard products), the only thing that has changed is that negative comments are being deleted from the web shop now. So, like with 99,9% of RC vendors, the reviews on Predator’s website have become useless as well. Sad story.


The entertainer and his daily promotion deals

To make ordering more tempting, Predator offers special deals throughout the week: On Mondays, you get some 3-CMC for free, on Tuesdays and Thursdays you may ask for free products worth your shipping costs, on Wednesdays you may ask for free 4-CMC, and Friday to Sunday there is a surprise weekend special. Alternatively, you can always ask for free 3-MMC pellets if you pay via Bitcoin.

Let’s have a closer look at one of these weekend specials

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The entertainer and his hide & seek

Predator is known for sometimes to not processing orders. If they have less than ten products in stock, they might be on holiday. This is important to know, because they wouldn’t tell you or close the store. They just disappear and keep the web shop open, and after weeks or even months they would return, not even say sorry for delayed orders and, this is important, their comeback would always go along with many new products. I think this is 50% laziness, 50% marketing strategy. Customers would order this new products like mad, especially since they had been waiting for so long.

To let the world know, that the shop is not gone for good, they constantly keep in touch with their customers on the dopek.info forum while they are on holiday. If this was a pure marketing strategy, I’d call it cynical, but I don’t know.

I did not get in touch with the shop before writing this text, since they would answer my emails but only provide answers to questions I had not asked for… They will of course get to see the article and may ask for corrections or additions, but something tells me, they don’t really care.


The Polish Scene

The Polish Scene means more than just being a shop that used to operate from Poland. They have like their own products, which would often be not as pure as with e.g. Dutch vendors and often times have an unpleasant smell or would be extremely caustic and cause you tears running down your cheeks after ingestion. Also, Polish customers tend to smoke the products, “konkret vapo?” used to be the most often asked product information on their web shop.

They do their own thing, produce in Slovakia and other Eastern European countries, they would provide multiple different batches of the same chemical which all would be different in color, smell and effects, …they seem to be different.

However, besides from their products, they aren’t. The Polish NPS scene evolved early and soon became very popular, similar to the situation in the United Kingdom (Great Britain and Ireland). They used the same marketing tools, would e.g. present lab tests to insinuate these “Legal Highs” would not be dangerous but “safe alternatives” to hard drugs, which of course is not true.

It started with occasional sales via online forums, before rich business men brought the scene to the next level: They worked out marketing strategies and installed professionally looking forums like dopalacze.com, that would advertise only shops that were franchise takers of the forum owners. If you had a couple of thousand USD, you could buy a license, open a shop and start selling.

And the chemicals sold well. A study from 2010 showed that almost every tenth student would have done NPS at least on a monthly basis. Already in 2008, the first “smart shop” openly selling synthetic designer drugs opened and that thing became a mass phenomenon, it moved from online-only to the “real-life” at remarkable speed: By the end of 2008, 40 so-called “smart shops” openly selling designer drugs were operational in Poland, a country with close to 40 million citizens. The range of drugs was expanding too, smoking blends mixed with synthetic Cannabinoids like JWH-18 appeared, Mephedrone (4-MMC) became a bestseller, and by the end of 2010 there were already a 1,3000 “smart shops” up and running all over the country.

The owners of the forum dopalacze.com, who used their money to source or produce the synthetic drugs which their franchise takers would sell for them, would contact the press to announce the opening of new shops, just like any other business would do. And the press surprisingly loved them, so that in 2010 90 (!) percent of young people aged 18-19 would have heard of NPS already.

In 2011, “smart shops” were made illegal and the sellers returned to their web shops, police counted 43 of them those days. Since 2013, numbers of consumers and of awareness of these drugs are declining. Not just because smart shops were banned, but also because good selling drugs were scheduled, and last, not least, ordering online seems to attract less customers than just buying drugs at a shop nearby.

With the rise of synthetic designer drugs, also mental disorders occurred more frequently and no one knows about the long-term effects of Research Chemicals. The number of NPS-related poisonings went down from a record high in 2010, but interestingly began to constantly rise again.*

*All data were taken from: Piotr Jabłoński , Artur Malczewski: New Psychoactive Substances. Problem and Response. Warsaw: 2014.


RC SCENE – Safe NOT Scam

Polish Scene Product Quality

As of today, in 2020, I am aware of two Polish forums that are not competitors but rather rivals: dopek.info and dopalamy.com, both advertising Research Chemical Shops. I wouldn’t know how they work, if they are still run as franchises or if the bigger shops source and produce drugs for the others; if they ran labs of their own or if they rather imported from Eastern Europe (like Slovakia) or from Asia.

dopek.info seems to be doing a lot better but some of the advertised shops there not only provide the poor quality the Polish scene is sometimes known for but also act mysteriously: They e.g. insist on self-destroying messages instead of emails, or would sell both Research Chemicals and things like prepaid-cards for mobile phones, for anonymous registration with online accounts and for anonymous communication of course.

Don’t get me wrong, the batches in this scene vary so heavily, sometimes you will be lucky and receive top quality. But they also sell chems that would often contain lots of probably toxic synth residues, the bad smell and the burning are usually not part of the substance you ordered, these are impurities.

Tipp: Their prices seem tempting and they all ship more or less reliable (you might sometimes receive replacement products you had not ordered because many of them don’t keep their web shops up to date.) Still, in case you smoke such a tainted product, and your throat or lungs hurt, better stop and get rid of it. It’s not worth intoxicating oneself, life is already too short anyway. I am not saying that all products were of questionable quality, but if you should receive such, please let it be.


Predator Product Quality

Back to Predator. Besides from selling neurotoxic chemicals like Chloro-substituted Cathinones (e.g. 3-CMC, 4-CMC), their products as of May 2020 look good, have no weird smell and seem of good quality.

3-CMC gave me an instant headache, I won’t touch that one again, and one out of the three variants of Hexen they sent, felt like swallowing a razor blade: Hexen White Powder feels way too caustic, I won’t open that bag again. Oh, and I don’t like their 3-FPM either. The latter is a question of taste, I assume, others might like it. The headache and the sore throat aren’t, though.

Their new batch of 4F-MPH is unspectacular, but clean and more than okay especially given the price. Their A-PiHP is the best A-PiHP I have ever tested, their MDPHP Powder is good, their new HEX-EN Crystal is way better than their last Hexen, DCK is good, but too mild; their 3-MMC looks better than it works, but is okay, as well. Their 2-FDCK, however, didn’t have any effects one me.

Predator recently asked for translators and for places where he could advertise. With the new products I could imagine him to expand his business.

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Conclusion

If you think your go-to vendor is out of his mind with his constantly rising prices and if you want to try something different from what Dutch shops usually offer, then I’d say Predator-RC is a good option.

Maybe make a small order and try different products, you will soon find out if you rather tend towards uppers or other substances.


Please don’t forget to mention the daily promotion deal in the comment field during checkout. If you forget, you will not receive any products for free.


26 thoughts on “Predator-RC (Trusted Shop Review)

  1. The vendor has it’s ups and downs, but he’s fair and generally has great quality stuff.
    Probably the best prices if you add promotions that are available every day.
    Sometimes makes mistakes, but always sorts them out.

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  2. Ordered DCK and A-PHP from Predator-rc a little over a month ago. Recieved 2 bags labeled Deschloroketamine. No bags said A-PHP.

    One was white and crystally and was DEFINITELY a stim cathinone, probably a Pyro but it was nasty and caused immediate heart pains. Clearly a mislabeled chem. Not Deschloroketamine that the bag was labeled as.

    The other says Deschloroketamine and is flour consistency and unlike any DCK or 2F I’ve ever seen, and I’ve had many batches of each. It even almost smells like flour. I’ve been scared to research it and run tests in the lab because I don’t know what it is.

    Reagent reactions didn’t match DCK. I forgot whether it was Mandolin or Mecke but one of them turned green and then blue. Others fizzed but no color change.

    I’ve ordered DCK from Predator-rc before and it was the legit tan microcrystal sandy batch a few months ago. But definitely not this time. Wish I knew what it was. I might send it to ED for testing.

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    1. Sorry to hear that. That’s a weird story, actually and does not reflect how they work: If they run out of stickers or have not yet prepared any for new products, they would use a permanent marker, this is the first time ever I hear about them sending mislabel chemicals.

      That you didn’t receive your A-PHP is weird as well, maybe they do not send scheduled substances to the US anymore. The white crystals are likely to be 3-CMC or 3-MEC. These are not too healthy and would fit your experience.

      The white substance that smells like flour will be HDEP-28, a substance that used to be promoted as MDPV replacement. However, it is so cardiotoxic that a European shop would always add a fair amount of cutting agent or local anaesthetic to it.

      WHAT TO DO NOW?
      I updated the shop description with their current contact option. Please do take photos and email them asap to them, demand a reship.

      https://rc-scene.com/trusted-research-chemical-shops/#anchor-predator

      PS: Since they are experiencing issues with authorities, they seem to have opened a new shop https://chem-casino.com/gb/ that now offers their DCK for 40 instead of before 30 USD.

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    1. There is an online meme, “Doing it the Polish way” (or similar), popular on Russian FB clone VK, which shows hilarious photos of “repaired” or adventurously constructed solutions that all look a lot dangerous to handle ;-D

      Half of the Polish scene seems down, they share a server which seems to be misconfigured, no idea what happened.

      Btw.:
      Meanwhile in Poland: 😉

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    2. URI was updated. The shop obviously deals with the same problems as we do: Constant hacking attacks trying to erase everything or to install malware…
      In the near future, the shop will be available via TOR-network only. There, you can basically hide the whereabouts of your server, also you do not need to register a domain that could be taken down by a court order.

      I am not yet sure, how to deal with shops that move to the Darknet. While I understand that it is less of a hassle to run a server there, the Darknet is a threat and you are surrounded by big time criminals…

      I will might collect best practices on how to survive the Darknet without being logged (which is not only an issue for people living under surveillance regimes like China, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK or US, but a threat for everyone since no one knows who runs the TOR infrastructure (so-called exit nodes might log your IP and could collect data for law enforcement or for hackers who will attack and contaminate your computer with malware, once they know your IP) and without falling for malicious sites that infect your computer with malware as well and will abuse your internet connection for e.g. sending spam…

      Unfortunately, there are contradictory opinions on how to enter and move within this jungle oftrash.

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  3. In 2017/18-ish they were sending out extremely potent psychedelic compounds as super potent opioid analogs. However it seems likely this modification could have been a legit trippy molecule, if it were a pure kappa agonist or hit certain serotonin receptors. I have personal knowledge of their opioid analog mod of f from way back in the day-which indeed it felt more like AMT than what it should. I did not have it tested, because I was only sent a sample from a trusted source, for my own research. It revealed vivid and strong open and closed eyed fractals and visuals. It seemed a bit overwhelming, It was very stimulant like as well. It had cardiovascular effects on top of vivid visual hallucinations.

    Also back in the day there were numerous reports of mis-labeled substances being sent (prior to the merging of the two companies); this is anecdotal and unproven as none of these users had energy control data to back up their claims. Also a lot of claims were made that when they outsourced products they were not performing quality control via having their items tested prior to selling them as what they were told it was.

    I have seen mixed reviews over the years, but it seems like these days their chemists are learning and apparently have focused more towards stimulants.
    I believe this is due to the local demand of the area, as well as laws.
    A legit company indeed, but they do have a track record of complaints. But not so much here lately. They just reintroduced an American shipping pipeline as well.

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    1. I noticed that Predator was forced to take certain substances / powder blends down within 24 hours, when they had moved to the Netherlands. There must be something like an RC agency in the NL. God knows what they had been selling while still operating in Poland. Their products are 2/3 okay 1/3 trash currently, I’d say. You are damn right that they want to expand, they offer products for no money that would often be better than what TRRC is charging a fortune for.

      Dopek forum will soon be re-launched to attract more international crowd, this is sure intended to hit the US market.

      I used to order with RCwolf or whatshisname back then, they would sometimes send me stuff with mould on it and sometimes uncut substances directly out of their lab that stopped my lungs from breathing. Rechemco also once sent me Valerylfent with mould on it. For a while there, it seemed everyone had gone crazy.

      Some Dopek sponsors still sell products that stink awful and burn in your throat like you were eating glass. they do not wash out the toxic synth residues. Cancer calling… This can’t be okay.

      The EMCDDA (European Drug Monitoring) speaks of them as criminal organisations that run illegal labs. They for sure never tested anything, instead they gave their stuff names like 4cmc hola and 4cmc beta, depending on looks and smell of the substance; none of them being 4cmc, btw. As if 4cmc wasn’t already toxic enough.

      The new arrivals Predator offers have no smell and feel clean. But they still offer unbelievable crap as well, e.g. their pinky hexen… But it is getting better. You can order, they either order from China now or really invested in professional chemists.

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      1. I’ve translated dopek a lot for compound info, when I couldn’t find it on any of the knowns like erowid bluelight reddit psychonaughtwiki or tripsit. But I don’t trust their trusted vendor list- it’s a paid vendor list from what I hear.

        I think whoever -is /was /might still be- synthesizing for Predator is only as experienced as they have become in this operation. And I agree they don’t clean up compounds very well.

        Which is why if you can find any solubility info on a compound, you should always try to recrystallize it yourself if you believe it has any possibility of contamination.

        But the need to do so when you receive any chemical is just horrible. It could be a number of things as to why. But it shouldn’t happen.

        Now Predator is announcing they have a new shipping route (a new drop-shipper) where it can deliver to the USA (I haven’t heard of anyone getting anything from them however.)

        In NL there may be some deciding factor as to why some things are legal and some not.

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        1. Predator is really doing good at the moment, you just need to know what to buy and what to better avoid 😉

          The Trusted Shops on dopek,info are Sponsors, paying approximately 400 USD per month, but I don’t know for sure. The second Polish forum, Dopalamy charges 435 USD per month.

          The forum is illegal, their chems have no CAS they just synth stuff together.

          I was being told that the shop with the racing car banner would also be good, as well as Atom. Predator is becoming more expensive lately, but they stocked up like there was no tomorrow. Some compounds are better than those from Lizard Labs, their DCK is definitely better and costs almost nothing.

          On drugbuyersguide – submit a tip to the DEA! – stores pay for their threads and extra for sponsoring. Their trusted vendors are a joke, if you spend enough money you become a super vendor. I might publish their Super Vendor List on Twitter someday. Those retards charge 15 uSD from forum members to see a list of 8 well-known or well-paying vendors.

          I think they have not listed any vendor we wouldn’t have as well – although the US market is not quite our metiér, that’s the truth. We gave our list to a friendly forum and in return copy some of their trusted vendors. I hardly believe there was a more comprehensive list of interesting vendors anywhere else. We have about 40 bookmarks of vendors we decided not to mention to prevent an overkill.

          By the way: All forums take money. Some forums are created by scammers, they only exist to make scammers spam and Americans lose their money. I think rcvendors.com are also thiefs. I had them on the welcome page but took them down as soon as I learnt how they make money. Not with ads, but with positive reviews for their own scam shops.

          There is nothing like RC SCENE. If there was, we would have created a blog about indie music. I mean it. If Reddit wouldn’t have started to suck big time, I’d post my links there. But I am not allowed to. They even banned me once for talking about a reference lab that produces tiny samples for universities. Kiss my ass, reddit.

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          1. “dopek” is a little dodgy, but mostly ok, I spent a lot of time there 🙂
            “dopalamy” on the other hand is more crooked, often deleted bad reviews of their “trusted” shops.
            You also have to remember that on both of those forums there is lots of junkies that sometimes loose their mind and post strange things, so you shouldn’t trust them blindly.

            Generally vendors there are not a typical scammers, but are known to send dodgy substances, especially those under the names “4mmc analogue” or “fake cocaine”, but it also happens that the batches change without any info, and can be a lot different.

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            1. Dopek is like a forum for franchise takers. They run a Nazi regime there, the admins will only make you a full member if you never post criticism. Every vendor mentioned there needs to pay.

              Dopalamy is actually the same, you pay 435 USD a month for having a thread of your own. The difference between Dopek and Dopalamy is that at Dopalamy not the admins delete criticism, but the shop owners themselves are able to delete postings.

              Dopek is advertising more Chinese than European vendors lately, it seems, and the guys at Dopek are so dumb, if a shop exit scammed or got busted they would still advertise him like nothing had happened until his contract runs out…

              Dopek is populated by maybe 20 loyal visitors, most of them being admins, Dopalamy has more real users but some of the vendors at Dopalamy seem to cook Cathinones in their kitchen.

              Dopek sponsors also offer questionable substances, we were recently testing one of these 4-MMC-analogues. Taken in a capsule, it was actually pretty good, but the powder version is a too clumpy. Also, it turned out to be such a strong serotonin releaser that already the second day it would make you sleepy. The Shop Review should be online soon.

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            2. Comment referring to the reply below, I cannot reply under it for some reason.

              I agree about a nazi scheme, I was downgraded for writing the truth about their new sponsored vendor (funkylab.cc). After the vendors sponsorship expired, it was quickly downgraded to scam by mods and other users.

              Legit shops outside their sponsored ones aren’t treated fair at all, and sponsored ones are glorified.

              When I said “shops are not scam” in my comment, I referred to the old stores (Synthetics [not in business anymore], Predator, Atom and Drenigma. I do not know much about the newer ones, especially the chinese ones.

              There was also a sponsored Chinese vendor there that scammed someone, so I would be very cautious ordering from those shops.

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  4. Hi, are they currently on vacation right at the moment? Is it okay to order from there to the USA? Hopefully the google translate is sufficient, as I do not speak polish! Thanks for your answer!

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    1. Hi Chris,

      They are definitely back from vacation, the article above describes (parts of) their current stock as of April 2020. Processing and shipping were done quickly and the order arrived in time. In this regard, everything is back to normal.

      However, they cannot ship to the US currently. When you log on to their shop (registration is open for all), the very first sentence indicates “WE CAN’T SHIP TO USA RIGHT NOW”.

      You could ask them per email, but I think it is because that the US have tightened customs due to the COVID-19 epidemic, that they cannot ship overseas at the moment, and that nobody knows when things will run smoothly again.

      Regarding the Polish language:

      If you use Google Chrome or Micrsoft Edge Chromium, both web browsers will ask you for translating a foreign language website into your default language (e.g. English) and that works pretty well actually. If they don’t ask automatically, look for a translation icon next to the address field.

      If you were working on a MAC, you could try something like this to translate whole pages: < http://itools.com/tool/google-translate-web-page-translator >

      The shop works like any other shop as well, the only thing you will probably need to have translated is the block with your name and address. Everything else is pretty much speaking for itself.

      Info for new customers:

      Remember that new customers need to pay in Bitcoin and for converting currencies, I would recommend Google, just type in something like < https://www.google.com/search?q=300+pln+in+usd&oq=300+pln+in+usd >.

      PS: Some say that COVID-19 could return and lead to a second phase of lockdown in late summer. Shipping long-distance orders (be it Europe or Asia) could remain delayed or impossible for quite a while I am afraid.

      In the city I live in, so many postal workers are infected and on sick leave, that the military (!) assists them sorting mail now…

      Have a happy day!

      :-))

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      1. Hi,

        Personally, I prefer Predator’s Hexen Crystals (they are powder crystals actually) to Hexen Needles any day a week.

        The problem with silkmixture used to be that he had already announced the new Hexen Needles batch – which would be winner according to him – three times this year – but would always send a generous but not so great replacement product instead.

        According to recent forums posts, see – https://dopek.info/.//hex-en-opinie%2C-recenzje-%7C-opinions%2C-reviews-t4244s45.html#p117577 – this time the Needles indeed seem available.

        I still strongly recommend getting in touch with him before ordering with silkmixture. If he says, he has plenty of it, then go for it, if you prefer it over powder crystals.

        I am sorry, I cannot provide a more useful recommendation but I do recommend reading the reviews on dopek.info. They are pretty helpful, usually.

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      2. Avoid silkmixture. He either got busted (my theory) or exit scammed (don’t think so). He would work from home, to give you a hint why I think they caught him. Only the imprint say CZ, the stamps spoke another language 😉

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  5. The timeless art of taking pictures of powder in bags. Pretty good. Pretty, pretty, pretty good. I like the A-PiHP pic best. If you keep on getting better with photography at warp speed, next stop art exhibition :_D

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